This confirms something that I always suspected while listening or seeing some pick up teachers in action.

This is also why pick up teachers often fail in teaching…

They are trying to teach guys tech. stuff but since these guys don’t have their
personality and attributes it often doesn’t work for them and they keep failng…

I don’t see the edge thing as a “theory.” It’s very obvious and blatant in life. Most of the guys I mentioned, (especially the ones I endorsed) have good points to teach. On top of that, in their personal presentations, they have an edge that allows them to stand out from the rest of the crowd.

There were two conditions for the list of people I mentioned above:

A. I had to have spent some time with them personally.

B. They have to be somewhat successful in dating girls.

There are a lot of “Dating Gurus” but if they did not meet BOTH of those conditions, they were omitted from the list.

Sounds like you’re doing and have gotten over the programming quite a bit.

Cameron

1. The whole ‘looks dont matter’ debate: Personally I think looks (especially physique, skin and general healthiness) make a HUGE difference to how attractive you are to most girls. And, actually, to how you feel about yourself (which is obviously key, too). Its like ‘no shit sherlock’ but you’re right that the gurus down play this because they want money from ugly overweight people, too. Thing is, many people (like me) improve their looks/physique at the same time as their ‘game’ and with two or more variables changing its hard to tell what is making the difference, often times.

2. The fact that many gurus who claim to be successful often have conflicting advice which can be a real mind-f**k if you’re looking for direction. This makes the ‘edge’ theory attractive because it does indicate that the essence of attraction is about *standing out* from the crowd, while still being cool (i.e. standing out in a good way). As opposed to specific ways of doing that.

So, does this mean the gurus are snake-oil salesmen? Well, perhaps, in some cases. But without their advice and blogs I would never, ever have had the imagination or developed the belief system that has allowed me to really think critically about, and apply, the basic themes that most of the gurus agree on (even if they manifest them in different ways).

Basically, after 18-24 months of immersion in the community I’ve kind of entered a ‘Zen’ period now where I’ve learnt what things to ‘let go’ off and stick the handful of *key* things which have given me the confidence and coolness to attract women, *recognise* it when it happens, and have the confidence to act on it.

This also confirms something that I suspected when I read “The Game”: that Neil Strauss is passive-aggressive. And it makes sense that a P-A person would be a proponent of indirect approach.

You’re very right about that. For some reason, community people think “Game” is pulling the right sequence of DHVs, negs and NLP out of your ass.

What’s obvious to most people in real life becomes lost in seduction advice.

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Chriswirth, email me and I’ll give you his information. There is a caveat however. What he is going to preach to you will be completely different than what he actually does himself. What he really does is what I described in the edge section.

If you really are into porn participants, hookers, and prostitutes, then you may want to look into getting involved in that realm in some capacity. (Even if it’s finding your way to those type of house parties.)
However, be careful, what you wish for, my man.

Take care

On a side note – do you know if Johnny Porn as his own blog or contact information? I’m into the same type of women and have pulled a few, would like to contact this particular PUA.

Cheers