The Story of, Dick, In The Seduction Community
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Richie was a good man, meant well, and had a group of friends he hung out with. Clean cut kid, 22 years old and fresh out of college, he found himself still struggling to get girls. Sure, he had his cast of friends, but he was never the popular kid in high school. College was an improvement but it still didn’t get Richie consistent results. He was a very likable kid his friends would say. Unable to attract girls he desired and feeling the frustration of one too many Saturday nights alone, he sought to find a solution to his dilemma. He took refuge on the Internet. Spending time alone, he finally succumbed to it. He did a Google search one lonely Friday night.
There he was, doing an Internet search on “How to attract girls” and he stumbled upon the…..(drum roll please)…..”Seduction Community.” He found a site named “Fast Seduction” filled with advice from various gurus. There was a plethora of advice from gurus all around the globe who all had online handles and clever pseudonyms.
That’s how Richard came to the seduction community. He voraciously read every piece of advice and went out to try it. Whatever he had done up to that point hadn’t really worked, so how much worse off could he be? He couldn’t get worse. So he read, and went out talked to girls. He started posting on the forums and kept a log of his track record. He started having some success. He finally had something to say to girls and could strike up conversations with them. Hey, this stuff was giving him some results! Finally!!
The guys providing the advice referred to themselves as “Pick Up Artists” abbreviated to “PUA” for short. The people in this community loved acronyms and there was no shortage of them to find. Religiously, Richie read and practiced the advice of the PUAs, as these were the greatest self- touted ladies men across the globe. Richie wanted to meet them. Who wouldn’t?
That opportunity arose when a famous pick up artist came to town to speak for free at a small lair meeting. This was Richie’s chance to meet a guru in the flesh. This was the time. This was the beginning of meeting famous PUAs. This speaker was not just a PUA. He was an “MPUA” [Master PUA]. Apparently, that’s a higher echelon of pick up artistry. He went by the online name, T.D. (Short for Touch Down.)
- Interior- Day time- Gathering inside a dimly-lit room.
We see 20 poorly dressed guys sitting around anxiously listening to Master “Pick Up Artist, Touch Down” Speak.
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Touch Down [TD]:
My name is TD.
Do any of you know why that is?
That stands for Touch Down!
That’s because I score with 99 out of a 100 girls I talk to.
Can any of you do that?
No, because you’re all lame assess.
Richie is excited. Wow! Imagine that! 99 out of a 100! The mythical Greek Gods couldn’t and wouldn’t claim such numbers. Suddenly, he is snapped out of his Daze. TD is speaking to him!
TD
Take a look at that outfit. Would a hot woman ever be caught
with a guy dressed like you? No… You need to wear something edgy.
Like a fishnet mesh shirt.
What is your name?
Richie realizes he has been chosen.
Richie
My name is Richie, Sir.
TD
See, there you go. You answered my question too fast.
You’re once again showing you’re a lame ass.
Richie
Sorry, sir.
TD
You lame ass. Don’t apologize.
You aspire to be an MPUA? You should never apologize.
Alpha men do not apologize.
Richie is confused.
TD
Your name is lame. How do you expect to get a 10 with that name?
Your new name is PUA Dick! Dick is short for Rich,
but also has a sexual connotation to it.
Do you think a hot girl would date Richie??
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Richie takes a moment to think. He is not sure where this line of questioning is headed.
TD
Answer my questions immediately.
Don’t pause too long, it shows weakness.
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Rich is now really confused.
TD
Richie is a weak name. From now you’ll be called Dick.
Riche
But I like Richie. All my friends call me by it.
TD
Shut up. Do you want to get laid?
Many powerful and Machiavellian men have been named Dick.
Tricky Dick Nixon, Dick Cheney, Dick Hussein.
Richie,
Awww, I am pretty sure it was Saddam.
TD
Shut the fuck up. Never correct an MPUA. Did I not tell
You know why I am called Touch Down?
Because I can score with any woman I want anywhere. I can walk outside
and get and any model as a girlfriend. You’re a lame ass.
You’re an expert? You read history books?
While you’re busy reading your history and biographical books,
I am busy getting laid by supermodels. Don’t ever correct me again.
Plus Saddam means “Dick” in Iraqi language.
Richie
OK. Thanks for the help.
TD
There you go again. You’re such a lame ass.
You show weakness and lower value by saying thanks.
If you want to be an MPUA, you need to drop that.
You’re now PUA Dick Striker.
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So Richie became a Dick.
Immediately fascinated, Richie stars immersing himself even more in the seduction community. After all, thus far, he has learned a few good things that have helped him. He now starts studying every piece of information he can get his hands on every different camp. He studies a method popularized by someone named “Intrigue.” He learns a style of “Insulting Asshole” by a character named Michelangelo. He studies post by a snobby PUA called “Fashion.” It all starts as innocent fun trying to meet a few girls.
Unknowingly, something weird happens. Something, deep, dark and ugly that completely sneaks its way in under the radar. Along the way, he adapts the mindset, belief systems, and mental processes of the people whom he admires. He worships these people. He believes them to have the keys to happiness in life. He feels a strange loyalty because now Richie actually has met girls, gone on dates, and even has had sex with some women.
Richie is infatuated with the Pick Up Artists. He takes on their personas. He adapts their beliefs. He looks at the world through their eyes. Little does Richie know that he is adopting the mindset, beliefs, and behavioral patters of people whom he admires, are those of sometimes-deranged people. They range from manic-depressive, to suicidal, to superficial, to unhappy manipulative sociopaths who plot and plan their every move.
Richie no longer has any of the friends he had before he entered the community. His friends all call themselves “PUAs” and they have their language. Richie has stopped all his hobbies. His new hobby is posting field-reports, getting back to his friends to compare notes about what girls they met.
Pretty soon, Richie is unhappy. Richie is depressed. Richie develops paranoia, always anxious about what people are trying to get from him. He looks at everything as a mechanical process, as though he were a programmed robot. Someone sneezes, and Richie says, “Bless you,” and immediately is proud of himself because instantaneously thinks to himself, “Hey, I am giving Value” but then he worries he was being Beta. Paranoia sneaks in his head. “Would an Alpha male say Bless you?” Perhaps it’s showing Lower Value. Fuck! It’s all so confusing. His thoughts are turning on him.
Someone is over at his house and the poor bastard has to take a piss so he asks Richie to use the toilet. Richie thinks, “Whoa, this dude is now taking value from me.” It does not occur to Richie that normal well-adjusted human beings do not think this way. Full-blown sociopaths do. Rich has taken on sociopath thinking.
Richie is really unhappy. See, Richie is NOT really a sociopath. He is a normal dude with emotions who just needed to become better with girls. He is actually a good dude, and is a likeable person. He just needed to tweak a few things, but he got caught in a trap.
He got caught in the trap of thinking that he needed to adopt the personalities of the people who helped him. So he did, and now he is just as miserable as they are. Wait, he is more miserable. A true sociopath can coexist with himself on some level, in the same way a con artist can somehow sleep easy at night after having robbed an elderly retired couple of their life savings. Richie, AKA PUA Dick Striker, has sunken in really deep. Every time he sees a woman, he feels like he should do an approach. When he does not approach a woman, he feels weird and incomplete.
- Exterior of tall building- Weekday Morning – Day Light
**Today a woman was about to jump off a building to kill herself.
Richie, now known as PUA Dick Striker, sees the attractive woman on top of the building looking to plunge down. Dick is anxious!!! He feels like he should have tied a bungee cord around his waist, jumped with her, and asked her during the plight, “I need a quick suicidal sinking female’s opinion. Who lies more, men or women? Quickly, you only have 5 seconds of free fall left.”
Unfortunately, Richie did not have a bungee cord as part of his PUA-Kit. He had to make room for an extra pair of New-Rock boots. He never had a chance to open a conversation with her.
He is feeling anxiety. Not opening the set has given him a horrible compulsion. He thinks to himself,
(Richie’s inner thoughts. Voice Over.)
Man, I should have opened that set. That woman hit the ground,
Splattered across the pavement of Broadway, and I didn’t get a
chance to open conversation with her.
Now, I won’t have a chance to open her ever again.
The paramedics just Cleaned up the pieces.
I can’t even tell my friends about my new
Day-game bungee approach. Shit! This sucks!
Why did I hesitate to go up on the buidling?
I think jumping off a building would have been a great DHV.
Wait…. I should have negged her, “I like the way you jump.
But really your form needs to improve or I am not dating you.”
No!!! No!! Wait!!
Maybe I should have used some “Insulting Asshole” from Michelangelo:
‘Nice jump. Is this your first time?‘ With a little smirk!
Then I would have been cocky and funny!!! Insulting and Asshole,
AND……..
AND since I may have made her chuckle, I would have been
giving VALUE!! It’s all about giving value,”
Fuck! Why didn’t I do that set? PUA Fashion would not be proud of
me right now. He would have found a way to do the set.
Dick is distarught over not having ever “Opened the Set” before the girl jumped off the building. He talks to his buddy in the seduction community, “PUA Copycat.” He tells PUA-copycat about what happened.
- Interior- Day time- All You can Eat Buffet Restaurant
We see Richie, (Dick) having a conversation with another proclaimed Pick Up Artist. PUA-Copycat is a disheveled obese fellow. Yet, he runs a blog where he critiques PUA performance.
PUA-Copycat
Dude, you definitely fucked up. You should have approached her.
I am sure you have heard of Mr. Strauss? He goes by “Fashion.”
Fashion would have gotten the girl. In fact, Fashion would have
pulled a threesome with that that girl. That’s how good he is.
He is the greatest self-proclaimed PUA in the world.
You got nothing! He would have had a 3some!
Dick
How the hell would Fashion pull a 3some menage-a-toi in that situation?
You’re saying he is a necrophilliac?
PUA-Copycat
It’s simple really. Fashion would have paid for that girl to be cremated.
Then he would have poured the ashes on the bed as he fucked another
girl on top of that. That’s a 3some! That’s all that matters.
Dick
That seems wrong, man. Not to mention disgusting….
Sounds like necrophilia
PUA-copycat
No man. It’d have been necrophilia if he’d fucked
a corpse. Ashes don’t count as necrophilia.
Fashion is just that good & clever.
Dick
Seems kinda wrong still to do that to someone.
PUA-Copycat
Now, you’re just being negative. No more negativity man.
Keep it positive. Plus, this is all part of “The Game.”
Are you a PUA or not?? Huh!
Are you?
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Two weeks pass by. Dick is unsure. He has mixed feelings about what had transpired and his reactions to the event. He has some remorse. He hears some news. One of the most famous gurus in the entire community of Pick-Up Artists is coming to do a book signing in New York City at Barns & Nobles. He has just released his new book chronicling his experience as a pick up artist. It’s a NY Times best seller called, “Struggles of my Game.” Being released in German as “Mein Spiele Kampf,” or rather, “Kämpfe meines Spiels.”
In fact, this is the famous “FASHION.” (Aka, Mr. Nigel Strauss.)
- Interior – Night Time- Huge Book Store
Dick attends the book signing to converse with his hero, Fashion, [Nigel Strauss] who has released a book. Dick excitedly tells of the account to Fashion. Fashion is excited, his ever scheming biddy eyes are proud. He responds!
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Fashion [Nigel Strauss]
Awesome man! Awesome! That’s a great story. If you’d gotten
A make-out, it would have been better. But still, a great story.
Dick
But lately, I’ve been having second thoughts. Let’s say I had that
Bungee cord, and I was next to her! Perhaps I could have grabbed her
and saved her from hitting the ground. Maybe I could have helped her.
Maybe I could have saved a human being’s life.
Fashion
Did she give you any IOIs? Like did she ask for your name, or
ask you any questions?
Dick
Um…. Er…., no, but.. like there wasn’t any time for that.
She was plummeting pretty quickly.
Fashion
Then, no way! Saving her life would have been a DLV. That stands for a
“Demonstration of Lower Value.” You don’t want to be low-value.
Ever!
The right thing would have been to NOT grab her and keep “Sarging.”
Or perhaps use her as warm-up set.
Dick
Part of me feels bad, Fashion. I feel like IF I had
my PU bungee cord, I could have saved her
for other reasons.
Fashion
What other reason could there possibly be besides fucking her?
Dick
I can’t help but think that
Maybe I could have saved a human being’s life.
Maybe she has a family, a father or a sister who misses
her right now. Maybe she had dreams and
Aspirations, and then just took a wrong turn somewhere.
Maybe she could have turned herself around and achieved
Whatever it was that she wanted to achieve.
Maybe I could have helped another human being out.
She is a human being, man.
Fashion
That’s just AFC talk. PUAs do not speak this way.
Only chumps and beta men speak that way.
Richie
But Fashion…
Fashion
No ifs or buts. In fact, give me back my signed copy.
You’re holding it in contempt. Here is an unsigned copy.
You do not deserve the autographed copy of Fashion’s book.
Leave my book signing now.
Dick is further confused. He can’t understand why the people he looked up are such full blown sociopaths. We’re not talking a case of mild sociopath tendencies, torturing cats and dogs and the like. No! We’re talking Full blown sociopath.. Dick is really confused.
Dick is a combination of angry, depressed, and paranoid.
Dick takes refuge in self-help. He watches the Secret. Now, he goes around preaching like some modern day Born-again. He spouts off Tony Robbins quotes. He jumps from one self-help book to the other trying to figure out how to see straight again.
A month goes by. Dick is still torn. He is feeling remorse and guilt for not having saved someone. He hears that perhaps the most famous of all the Pick-Up Artists is in town. He goes by “Intrigue,” A tall lanky man who likes doing mysterious Magic tricks. Intrigue is the man! He is Pick Up Artist who taught Fashion-Strauss originally. Surely, he is wiser than the rest.
- Interior- Night time – Busy Night club –
Dick has a rare opportunity to talk to an MPUA, Intrigue. Intrigue is an MPUA who has his own TV show on MTV. He is adored by millions of men, at least in his own mind. He is a tall lanky guy wearing a fuzzy hat with goggles placed on top of the fuzzy hat.. Dick tells Intrigue about his situation and the girl who jumped off the roof.
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Intrigue
(looking philosophical and serious)
Your solution is simple. Was she a 9 or 10?
Richie
No.
Intrigue.
(Looks Very Pleased.)
Oh, I see. Very good. I assume she must have been an HB11 or HB12.
Richie
Ummm, what the fuck is an HB12???
Intrigue
(Very serious now)
That’s a woman of particular beauty, whose beauty is so great
that a 10 cannot possibly define her. For this, we must raise the
scale to an 11 or 12. This is for women of high quality,
like strippers, and porn stars.
Richie
Don’t they have a reputation for having lots of plastic surgery,
wearing 20 pounds of makeup and being dumb?
Intrigue
They’re HB 11s and 12s. End of argument. It’s what Intrigue likes!
It’s the Intrigue-scale and method. I am Intrigue, it’s my scale.
Thus, it’s the Intrigue scale.
Richie.
Well. If 5 is an average looking woman,
then I’d say ……she was a 7.
She was attractive. I thought she was really cute.
Intrigue
Then you made the right call by not opening her or
Saving her. We are not in the game to open
or save any thing less than a 9.
You have nothing to feel bad about. Now, leave and go sarging.
Richie
But…. She is still a human being man…
Maybe I could have…. ….
Intrigue
No! This is the law of nature. It’s evolution. We are hardwired this way.
A woman less than a 9 does not have enough value.
You did the right thing.
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Richie is further depressed, confused and miserable. He goes out on Friday night, makes out with two different girls, gets invited to her house, things escalate, and although he doesn’t get laid, he feels like he is king of the world.
He goes out on Saturday and doesn’t get any make out or “Solid closes.” He goes home miserable. He thinks of himself as a loser, a piece of crap that failed again. He spirals downward to misery because this cycle keeps repeating itself. In the meanwhile, he has nightmares about the conundrum he faced, the tragedy he has witnessed and feedback he received from the Master Pick Up Artists.
A few weeks pass by. He gets a phone call from someone who runs a pick-up workshop-training outfit. There are so many these days. This one is called Pickup Training Academy. The pick up artist identifies himself as “Casino Man” and speaks with an English accent.
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Casino Man
Hey, this is Pua Casino-man. I am the head trainer for the PTA.
We wanted to see if you’re Interested in teaching workshops for us.
Dick
Why me?
Casino Man
Mate, we heard about your idea about bungee cord situation and
How you were going to open that chick that got splattered. Brilliant man!
That’s the kind of creativity we need. We’re already putting a PUA product together.
It’s how to open suicidal women, and the DVD comes with a bungee kit.
It’s great marketing and we want to have you on board
It will be labeled as the “Dick Striker Bungee Opener Kit“.
Dick
But I am more convinced than ever that I should have saved her, instead
Of merely attempting to open her with an opinion opener
Casino man
You’re just having a temporary set back. All PUAs go through this phase.
It’s called being R.E.A.L. Readjustment even after the lay. It’ll go away though.
So you on board, mate? We can start marketing the
“Dick Striker Bungee Opener Kit” next week!
Richie has a choice now. He could start teaching for Casino man and his Pick up Training Academy and sink further into depression, misery and the cult of bullshit.
But instead he opts to become Richie again. Go back to his normal friends, keeping the knowledge he learned. Richie decides to give away his outlandish clothing. He is reminded of the goals he had before he was sideswiped and sidetracked by the community. He is now able to go out and not care about not getting a make-out. He is able to enjoy people’s interactions for what they are.
He is able to sit home with 3 or 4 of his buddies and watch a football game, drinking a few beers, and enjoy the time he has. He finds that he has learned skills that enable him to meet and attract women, and he is able to approach women in various circumstances. It’s time to go back to normalcy. He starts calling his old friends and tells them about his plight. They accept him back with open arms.
Dick drops the name Dick Striker, and becomes Richie again. He submits his copy of “Mein Spiele Kampf” book by Nigel Strauss to recycling to help the environment, throws away his gay-outfits in the trash can, and keeps around a few of the dating products he had purchased, the ones he feels gave him good pointers and helped grow to be a new person.
Dick is gone, along with the fishnet shirts, the thoughts about DHVs, Negs, and being Alpha ………. Richie is back. He is just Richie. Able to enjoy the company of his friends, male and female alike, pursue his goals and lead a mentally healthy life…. He has learned valuable skills, enhanced his life, and knows the hidden side of the community and its unspoken message: Don’t become a dick.
Okay we get it…you think the community makes people weird…
A representative from Mr. Strauss I take it? Or a worshipper of Intrigue?
Why are you reading my blog? Put on fishnets and go sarging, dude.
Brilliant mate. Absolutely brilliant. This is like… 80% representative of my own thing. Love it. Cheers.
hmmm…although I get the point you are trying to make (and I agree with that point!)….this story is almost as weird as “Dick” was before he became “normal” again…
dude – I’ve been reading your blog (and it is the only pua related blog I ever read nowadays) and I gotta say it is super entertaining and top notch.
This post was soooo good I had to leave a comment…this is like 80-90% representative of my own thing as well!
keep it up!
As if Neil Strauss could be compared to Hitler :D
I don´t get where all your anger towards the seduction community comes from.
Those who think about thier actions and the things they read just get alot of good tips , and those who are to dumb to think for them selves from the start become shallow individuals.
Maybe I don´t understand your point , because i am not that much involved with the seduction community. I never really felt like loosing my friends and seeing women as objects.
I liked the story and the names you gave mystery and the other MASTER PUAs.
“Struggles of my Game” would be “Kämpfe meines Spiels” in German.
I enjoyed that. The black humor kept my interest.
Well done.
I love it Cameron. Really good use of personalities without using names.
pretty accurate description:)
however u forget about u in this story or u never been part “of the community”/or u were one of the few “good guys”?
Whoa broseph i sense some hostility because of my comment
Great writing – and for me the morale is at the end. The ‘journey’ decribed here is just that – and many people, including myself needed to go on the Journey from Richard – to – Dick – to Richard (reborn) to learn about themselves and women. Its not dissing ‘the community’ its saying immersion in it (and back out again) is a *Journey*, and should not be the end result. Just my 2 cents.
I’m 1/3rd of the way through this beast of a post and i gotta say its fucking awesome Cam.. you’ve been able to put into words what a lot of people go through or maybe haven’t even completed the process of realization etc yet..
..I reckon u’ve made the world a tiny bit better with this very cool story (hahaha) & wise warning, so.. nice one :)
I think I am guilty of taking advice from ‘Touchdown’ at one point in my life lol
I wish you still spoke up more @ the C.C. meeting here in L.A.
Very Wise story.
It’s unfortunate.
Also add, referring to every other dude as “AFC”
I’m starting to see the weirdness of all of this.
It just hit me.
How weird it is to write about a persons adventures with “women” ect…
Cam –
This was too funny. I actually laughed out loud.
However, I’m wondering if you have an ax to grind here? I guess it doesn’t really matter.
Funny story –
RBP
Awesome read , Cameron. I particulary liked the part about Casino Man, being english my self. They give me the creeps.
Keep pumping this stuff out and blow the lid on the whole community. It has ruined enough of our young boys by removing compassion, sincerity and common sense from their souls.
Much love
It’s obviously a fictitious short story, but it’s inspired real life experience of several people who went through the experience. Richie is a composite character based on a handful of people.
The guys who said the story is 80% is representative of their experience are most likely the ones who snapped out of it at some point. I’d estimate there are probably 1000s of guys going through the same mental roller coaster ride Richie is going through during the story.
Yes, it delves into really black humor for a few reasons. Part of it is to snap those guys out of their lull. The shock to someone who is engulfed in this may break them out of their current daze, by letting them see how mentally unbalanced they’re becoming as a result of their current path. The other part is, well, the humor makes it more interesting to read.
No axe to grind. If it helps a handful of guy realize they’re acting like programmed robots who are behaving through someone else’s values, then that’s great. And to be sure, many will be offended by the portrayal of their seduction gods and heroes. Hey, that’s the way it goes.
Lastly, and this is rather important: This article was meant to serve as an entertaining Public Service Announcement. I’ve come across too many men knee deep engulfed in the “Seduction Community” experiencing depression, confusion, and neurotic behavior regarding every woman they see in life. It’s to let those men know they’re not alone and that they can get over these negative emotions/thoughts.
Jan, Danke für deine Hilfe ;-) Ich habe das Richtig gemacht.
<3
Cam, you are one sick and twisted dude and it’s wonderful. Wouldn’t have it any other way!
Great post, Cam. I never got that far immersed into the “community,” but I do relate to a lot of Richie’s story. I like your previous analogy to chemotherapy because it’s true.
What really turned me off from the so-called community of pick-up artists was how commercial it had become. It seemed like it had genuinely started as a means for people to help one another, and then reached a tipping point with Intrigue and Fashion when they and people like them realized that one can become immensely wealthy feasting off the misery of others.
Yup, sounds about right.
wow, fortunately i stoped reading after some lines.
what a crap!
This really is one tight-narrow perspective in a very deppresive direction.
sounds even unhealthy to me.
Cam,
I love this post because it’s so real.
Real, even though it’s fictitious and, through one story, symbolizes the experiences of many men.
Real in the sense that you tell it like it is even if a majority of the figures in the ‘community’ wouldn’t like it, you wrote this post because you felt it was the right thing to do and it would help others.
I learned about you through the Barry Kirkey Radio Show and through that show I had a chance to see what your style is and what you stand for.
I’m impressed, man. You have a lot of integrity and I think that eventually, that’s what people will really see after all the other flashy BS out there runs its course.
Congrats man. Keep it up. You are a success.
Nice story, weak ending. Though I was emotionally moved while reading it, so props to you. I know it sounds like a backhanded compliment, but I’m just too lazy to make it sound nicer.
BTW, who is Casino Man representing ?
Bloch,
I opted for a happy ending to the story, to balance out the disturbing conversations/thoughts that go on throughout. However, you are right in that it’d probably be even more disturbing if the ending was just as dark as the rest of it.
Fairenough, thanks for the good words.
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Reading this as a big, flashing reminder of the whole point behind the journey I am undertaking and what it’s about. It’s being yourself, understanding what your strong and weak points are and how to deal with them. The issue is not fashion per sè, even if it is important to be clean and to know how to make the most of your physique. Carlos Xuma says this in one of his ebooks: “Always take example from people who have what you want in life”. If you don’t stop to look at the girls as just another object you interact with in your life, then you’ll be able to spot the people you really want to learn from.
I agree in that seduction community makes some guys really weird. It has become awfully commercialized in the past 5 years and it seems more like a cult than anything else. The cult mentality especially extends to guys who pay for those ridiculous bootcamps, wasting their time and money listening to some guy on ego trip.
However… you, Cameron, are NO DIFFERENT from those MPUAs. For a second I though “wow, this guy sees the light”, but then I went on your main page and realized you’re only trying to sell products. You’re the SAME as all those egotripped commercial guys out there, and this is a nice gimmick to distract guys from going on FREE sites like fastseduction.
In fact, many community guys are pretty selfless in what they do. Have you ever read old original ASF posts from the 90s? Just a bunch of men trying to get good with women, sharing their results and trying to convey knowledge to one another. No cult mentality (well except for RJ), no MPUAs, no bullshit. Just pure facts and science.
You DUDE, are using some fucked up psychology with this story, to keep guys from free sites like mASF, trying to build your own cult right here with some weak minded guys who have no clue what you’re doing to their heads.
You’re no different than Tyler, Mystery and others these days (although they were good before they went commercial).
Now go and delete my comment, because you can’t handle a little criticism, like all other MPUA ego maniacs out there, it’ll just show that I’m right and that you’re having an agenda here.
Dear Dr. Who:
(You want to be taken seriously, and you call yourself Dr. Who? Seriously, man? If you’re chicken to use a real first name, make one up. John or Bob would work.)
You and everyone else is free to use any resource. Fastseduction is a great site run by two friends of mine, Jay and Ray. You’re not obligated to buy anything from me, and truth be told, I would not coach someone like you even if you offered to pay my fees.
Pure facts and science from the 90s? What would you be referring to? The pseudo/junk science of NLP and its promise to Speed-Seduce a woman? By all means, go for it. :-)
There is no shortage of advice on dating and I’ve been through the gamut. You’re free to run the course yourself, spend 5 or 6 years trying to discover what’s legit and what’s not.
And please, don’t insult my Blog readers. Most of the guys who read the Blog have already been through the freaky/neurotic part of the community experience. OK, Dr. Who. I’ve wasted enough time on your fantasies.
Take it easy,
(PS. If you’d read the Blog more carefully, you’d have noticed Formhandle and Fastseduction mentioned.)
Cameron, I especially have grief with the fact that you’re blatantly insulting and discrediting those MPUAs such as Mystery, while you’re showing off their pictures and quotes on your main page and using the fact that you’ve met them to gain credibility. It’s just pathetic and backstabbing, man.
Not that I’m defending those commercial guys (and chodes like Neil Strauss), but your methods are questionable. As for me being your customer, well, I have my game together and I learned all I needed to learn from great guys who became my friends and would teach me for free, directly in field or indirectly through providing me with materials. I’d do the same for any brother out there. Paying for something that’s free is just nonsense. Maybe I’d become your customer if I wanted to become an AFC again.
Funny thing about 2000s is that any guy who gets laid twice after a dry spell thinks he’s got seduction right and became a seduction expert; creates his own “method” and tries to sell that method to the world. Ridiculous.
As for guys who experience neurosis and identity crisis, those guys were messed up in the head even before learning about PU for all I know. I don’t know a single player who went “nuts” after learning how to be good with women. You were probably referring to those poor guys who pay for ridiculously expensive bootcamps, buying useless CDs and shit, adopting the mentality of their MASTERS and somehow managing to fuck up their mindset.
PU opened door to a very beautiful reality for many men, reality of optimism, abundance and RESULTS.
As for NLP… results speak for themselves.
Using words like “MPUA, AFC, PU” Still?
Some of the posts on the Blog attempt to help prevent good/normal men from turning into people like you. By the way, the people who turn neurotic do so, because they fall into the mindset of your heroes, whom I seem to have insulted.
Nevertheless, you’ve had TWO lengthy posts to get on your soap box and say your piece. You got your chance to call me all sorts of names.
I do wonder, however, why do you read the BLOG? Spend that time helping out “Brothers” in the field. (You refer to them as “Brothers” and accuse of wanting a cult?)
We do agree on 1 thing: NLP’s results (or rather creepiness) do speak for themselves. OK, you’re forbidden from reading my blog starting tomorrow, Dr. Who .
Dude I’m so glad I came across this. Story of the last couple of years of my life really. Just the little slap I needed to get me out of the mindfuck state I’ve been in. Thanks a lot!
This was an amazing blog post.
I liked the post, really, as I agree that the pickup community is a little retarded but checking the frontage and seeing a bunch of photos of you with the very same pickup artists you mentioned here makes me think you’re full of shit.
You are as credible as a politician promising to lower taxes.
I missed my normal friends. I went back to them. At the back of my mind is the feeling of ‘What if?’; the feeling on top of the rooftop as the woman falls. I know it well…
I think being normal again has taken longer than becoming a PUA.
Very good post… as I understand it, not a criticism of trying to improve one’s game as much as warning men to do so without losing themselves.
An excellent point to bring up, and I commend the author.
Not sure if I agree with the dislike of “fashion.”
He seems to be a genuinely decent guy that wants to help men get better at the game.
He harshly examined himself, and made a lot of brave choices to learn and get better.
I met him at a signing of one of his books, (unrelated to pickup), and unlike countless other book signings, was willing to field questions about, and sign materials completely unrelated to the that particular tome.
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