Facebook: The Wussie’s Way Out

Dating Women on Facebook, A guide

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“I got her facebook info!”

My friend says to me after an interaction.

– How about a phone number? (I ask)

Nah. just facebook for now.

Why did he do that?  Chances are you’ve done it too.  Why?  Why did you ask for her facebook?  Be honest now.   You wanted to get together with her.  For better or worse, a date is the idea  you had in mind.

Facebooking A girl”  for the purposes of dating her is a really piss poor strategy.  By the way, let’s not kid ourselves: You’re not facebooking a girl you met at random “to keep in touch.” That’s the equivalent of buying a porno magazine to read the articles back in the day.  (As a side note: Does anyone buy porno mags anymore?)   Anyhow, you’re doing the Facebook thing to get a date out of it.

Well, if that’s your goal, then step up the plate.  I know Baseball analogies don’t make sense to the vast International audience.  So, point being, be a man!  Show some balls.  Get the number.

If you don’t think you have enough of a solid interaction to get the number, then you don’t have much.  So you got the facebook, and now you want to date her.

How are you going to do that now? At this point, you’ll have to exchange emails on facebook, get her on the phone, then ask her to meet you out and about somewhere. Chances are getting her to come meet you on a date without ever having a conversation are going to be a lot more slim

In essence, you’re working backwards. By asking for her facebook, you went a step backwards, you still have to get back to square one and get the number.

The question is why do guys do this? Before you become defensive, you should know that most guys have done this.  Yes, I’ve done it too.

Truth of the matter is that sometimes you don’t feel like there is enough there in the interaction to warrant asking for a number.  You can tell when things are going well, and when things are just lukewarm.   In such times, it’s easy to ask for facebook, but feels tough to ask for a number.

Then again, for some guys, it’s always tough to ask for a number.

So facebook becomes the wussy way out.  It feels like a victory of sorts, because you got something.  but as I said, you haven’t got jack shit, especially if you log on to see that she has 359 friend.

If you actually know what you’re doing and didn’t ask fro the number, it’s because you felt that you didn’t have enough rapport or a fluid-vibe in the short interaction to ask for the number.

In that case, you still don’t have much.  That interaction is still too raw and hasn’t matured enough to enable you to move forward properly.  So you ask for the facebook hoping that something more could happen in the future.

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Keep this in perspective: What I am discussing here is asking for a facebook only because you wussed out from asking for a number.   This is not to be confused with a scenario where you exchanged numbers and then did facebook on top of that.  When girls like you, they’ll give all sorts of contact info, phone, email, driver license,

The idea of facebooking someone in order to get a date out of it is playing low percentages.  Can it be done?  Yes.  I have done it.  I have even worked it backwards where through email, I asked for the number and then called.

Was it more work than it should have been? Yep.

I got buddies who do the “facebooking” often.  Do you know how many of those girls they end up going out with? Less than 5%, I’d say.  (That just sounds better than zero, which is what the case it most often.)

Of course there are dudes who will swear to you they’re making this work left and right, but those are also dudes who date a lot of phantom women. You’ll never see them with the women  they’re supposedly meeting off of facebook, but oh, how they will brag about it to no end.

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Dating & Facebook can be intrusive

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Then there is the part of the equation where it’s intrusive.  If you work in an office environment, I don’t think it’s a good idea to add coworkers to your facebook account.  the negatives far outweigh the positives.

Furthermore, it’s simply intrusive.

Suppose you add someone to your facebook whom you just went on a first-date with.  Now, that can create havoc.  She’ll see other girls who flirt or interact with you on there.  Those girls could include ex-girlfriend from a while back, female friends, (girls you added because you were interested in them, but wussed out), not to mention girls who are, or have been friends-with-benefits at some point.

You add all of that up and it’s a recipe for disaster.

If  you’ve just met a girl at random, you’re better off asking for a number, and NOT adding her to Facebook.  Not until you’ve gone on several dates and feel like you get along on some level.

Please keep in mind these guidelines are meant for normal guys who want pointers for dating girls.  My advice is not geared towards aspiring “Pick Up Artists” or “PUAs.”  PUAs don’t have that many friends nor do they have any women in their social circles, so the problem really solves itself.

Back to the normal guy.  Don’t be a pussy.  Take the interaction further.  Don’t just settle for playing it safe and asking for a facebook.

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How To Use Facebook for Dating

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Is facebooking completely useless?  No.

There are ways you can use it to your advantage. The following are some scenarios where you can use this which usually depend on one’s lifestyle or job:

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  • Club promoter types, (Including promoters. DJs. hosts, event planners)

This is using facebook as part of the label that goes along with it: Social Media. It’s a way to conjure up a mass amount of people to make your event successful.  Along those lines, you could invite girls you’d like to get to know better as wel.

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  • Professional Event hosting.

Maybe you’re not the average coke-snorting club promoter but have a prfoessional association.  Maybe you host art gallery openings, or someone who is able to use social gatherings to your advanage to invite women to your environment  you could use this to your advantage.

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  • Going into Events:

Say you’re the type of dude who attends a lot of social events.  You have the sort of lifestyle where (for social or work reasons), you’re invited to various events.  In this context, you could use Facebook to invite the girl(s) you’ve met to the event, or perhaps ask her to go with you.

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  • You’re the Event host (non professional capacity):

An even better situation is if you’re the type who likes having social get-togethers or parties in your house.  Now it’s just common sense. “Hey, I’m having a house party on Saturday night.  It’d be great if you could make it, and feel free to come with friends…”   (Or something along those lines.)

What you’re trying to do is open that release-valve on the steam pipe to relieve the pressure.  Going to a party or an event doesn’t feel awkward for her, and if she is inclined, she may bring a girlfriend or two.  Most girls will not bring guys to this sort of situation, as they know better.

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  • Long Distance Situation

Say you live in NY and a girl you just met lives a 4-hour drive north of you in Boston.  You had a nice chat, liked each other, and agreed you were able to coexist despite the Yankee/Red Sox conflict.  On the same note, this is not really a dating situation.  You’re probably not meeting someone for a date who lives four-hour away. You Facebook each other, and the next time you’re in Boston or she is in NYC, maybe you’ll hang and have fun.  It’s not that serious.  This is a much more casual approach, and has more of a friendship vibe to it.  (Which is totally cool.)

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  • “Cool-chick scenario.”

This one is sort of a far out concept for some guys.  It’s out there in the realm of dating advice, but let’s say you actually liked her as a person and wanted to keep in touch.  For a variety of possible reasons, you’re not able to call often and chit-chat like high school girls.  In this scenario, Facebook serves as what it’s meant to be, “A Social Network.”

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Lifestyle, job, and social proof can serve as beneficial tools.  Most guys don’t have this scenario.  They facebook girls and end up collecting random individuals.

If the above situations do not apply to you, then you’re better off asking for a phone number and moving on.  If she is not going to give you a number, she is not going to want to date you from facebook either in most cases. (Unless you want to grind this out.)

Even more silly is trying to date girls off twitter.  Why waste so much time twitting back and forth with nitwits?  Not to mention that if she is a hardcore twitter, she ain’t worth dating in the first place.  (excluding work/professional reasons for twitting.)

Of course, to some of you this may seem like common sense.  Other will want to resist the notion and think it’s a great idea to befriend girls on facebook after a 10 minute interaction.

The latter group will hold on to that notion until they overhear a conversation between women that I have heard several times now: What’s wrong with men these days?  Don’t they have the balls to ask you out anymore?  They ask you to be a facebook friend….

When you hear that one, it may really sink in.

Cameron

13 Comments

  1. murka

    There are pro’s and con’s to both getting the number and Facebook. You seem to go to hardcore negative on Facebook close, while in reality it can be very efficient:
    (1) you get to see chick’s profile and decide if you want to continue with a person like that
    (2) she sees your profile and provided you have good stuff there (social proof), she warms up toward you as if you met her in your social circle
    (3) easy numbers game, with mutual parties, events, etc. Sure, the percentage of converted chicks is indeed low, but then if you are closing 20 chicks a week, 5% is pretty good!
    (4) social circle vibe to the whole thing – if you not gonna make the chick part of your social circle, what good is she?
    (5) staging grounds if you are currently busy, but might consider her in the future. The phone number will go insanely stale, but Facebook sort of keeps it alive.

    I suspect a lot of chicks complain about guys not going for the phone anymore because they lost some of the power that came with that. Guy begs for the phone number, guy calls, leaves voice mail, offers stuff, told to “call later”, etc. With Facebook, phone style flaking is harder, and there is a lot less potential for begging on the guy’s side too.

  2. Murka,

    Most guys doing the facebook thing RARELY end up getting a date out of it. I’m not interested in theoretical possibilities. I’d ask anyone: How many dates have you gotten?

    Personally, I wouldn’t want to add 20 random individuals a week. But then 20 girls PER WEEK? Man, you could ask for 20 of any sort of contact info per week, and you’ll get something eventually.

    Cameron

    (Btw, I am pretty sure I listed the positive aspects in a bullet-style format.) ;-)

  3. murka

    Cameron,

    Sure, one rarely gets dates out of Facebook, but is the phone number route any different? Who cares about the percentage if you still get a few chicks out of Facebook?

    I’ve been getting Facebook info left and right, and yes, most of those disappear into the oblivion. Then, my friends and I had parties to invite all these Facebook chicks. Few did show up, yet my friends and I got lays out of the ones who came.

    So for a given interaction the phone is probably more effective (with more effort). On the other hand, the larger scale socializing is far easier with facebook. So it is a Wussie route, but it is not THAT Wussie ! :-)

    I am just arguing that there are even more advantages than those that you’ve listed in the original post.

  4. murka

    And, by the way, I think that the power play issue is also at work. Chicks don’t get validated as much when guys go through the Facebook as through the phone. In the case of the phone a chick can play phone tag, and get validated by all your chasing. Taking the timing issue out (when to call to catch her?), there is no plausible deniability for her when she does not answer. So a guy gets a clue earlier than before that she is not interested. Thus one of the few power plays that a chick has in her possession is taken out. If she is interested in a guy, then the Facebook close won’t change that, and there is a way to continue communicating.

    I know I know it is good “to be a man” and all that, but going a bit tactical makes one less of a sucker. Some chicks are just not interested, and so to find this out cheaply and early is a pretty good deal!

  5. Daniel

    Great article Cam…

    Now that I got that out of the way… Come back to the Podcast! Come on man, we all know you are the most electrifying man in PUA entertainment. Plus, you get to publicly douche Jon out on the Laker championship.

    Don’t be a fool, RETURN TO THE PODCAST! :)

  6. Prince Ali

    Get on Sinn’s podcast now. No pickup talk.. just pop culture. Thanks

  7. CharlieV

    @Murka I’m with Cameron on this one. I come from a military background, and one of the things that we stress is effectiveness and efficiency. I’ve gone the Facebook route and asked a girl for her Facebook just because I didn’t feel that we had a strong enough connection. But believe me: if there is no connection, then there is no connection, and there’s nothing that can help that; not even facebook (except for a little luck and a play of fate, of course)

    Getting a girl’s Facebook instead of her number is like going in circles to a destination when you could’ve just gone a straighter, more easier route. It is more time consuming and decreases the probability, than if you put in a little “work” and had an actual interaction with a person. Thus getting a girl’s facebook upon meeting her is less effective and efficient than getting her number.

    This is not to say that Facebook is completely useless. Cameron posted some uses (I would also add to supplement your interactions with it just the same way you would using text messages) and I also went out with a married woman I interacted through Facebook and my roommate went out with 2 that he met on Facebook.

    But those are just the exceptions (and not the “rule”). Most cases warrant getting the phone number as the most effective and most efficient way. After all, why jump over the wall and break the window, when all you had to do was open the door?

    PS: Don’t get offended for what i’m about to say next. It’s just some tough love. About the power play: get over it and forget about it. Some girls are like that and others are not. Its like when you get the “Go to Jail Card” in Monopoly — It sucks, but it’s part of the game.

  8. Mike

    Hey man, can you do an MMA blog next?

  9. Jared

    Great Article Cam

    Ive done the Facebook thing twice… neither worked out and I believe it to be the wussy way out for sure.

    How would you react to a mediocre looking woman contacting you on Facebook with subtle hints of interest in being more then friends. Its the same feeling women get. They’ll be nice and communicate with you but they will not be attracted to you in any unique way.

    Its Weak! Come out and say what you want and have no fear.

    I told a woman the other night at a wedding that I wanted to fall in love with her among other things. Yea she said I don’t even know her, and I agreed. It didn’t matter! This woman is not insecure or lacking confidence by any means, has many options, and is very damn good looking.

    She ate it up and is very into me.

    Facebook is emotionally draining, because there is no emotional connection establish at all.

    My two cents.

  10. Anonymous

    2 months ago I met a girl and got her number. We talked on the phone and traded a few texts but things weren’t going anywhere but down. So, I’m like fuck it I’ll ask for her facebook.

    After we friended eachother one facebook she became all warm and receptive. We ended up having sex.

  11. Murka wrote:

    And, by the way, I think that the power play issue is also at work. Chicks don’t get validated as much when guys go through the Facebook as through the phone. In the case of the phone a chick can play phone tag, and get validated by all your chasing.

    Hey Murka, take this for what it’s worth to you, (a bit of free unsolicited advice):

    Right now, you’re looking at it from a perspective of a guy who’s read too much dating advice online, most of it coming from guys who were insecure.

    This is from the perspective of looking at women as though they’re these devious creatures who are always trying to get one up on you. Your perspective also assumes that they have something you want, but not vice versa. You’re a needy guy who wants to somehow get them.

    Imagine this for a change: Maybe the girl actually LIKES YOU! She actually IS Interested in you, and WANTS to see you again. Now, rethink the situation: She is left to think, “Why can’t this dude just ask for my number and call me. It’s kind of a cop out to just ask for a facebook”

    Right now, you’re not even pondering the 2nd perspective. Take a step back and look at the situation from third person perspective. You may find it makes more sense that way.

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