Johnny Soporno’s Epic Reply
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Here we go! Johnny “So-Drama-Porno” replies in epic fashion:
Here is Johnny’s reply & it is amazing. Breath taking some would say!
Let’s review first: I write the man a private email, an honorable one, calling him out for being condescending. (Which he knows he is.)
Even then, he still can’t help himself from being condescending, so after being CALLED OUT for being condescending, what does he do?
– Write an email that’s his most condescending to date!
If you read the email I sent to him, you noted two points of contention:
- Being condescending and belittling those around him
- Constant games of 1-up-manship to place himself above others in some hierarchy
Basically, using advanced manipulation tactics on people who teach social dynamics.
In his reply, he quotes part of my email. My original email is in normal black color indicated by arrows.
Johnny’s replies are in quotes, in brown color,
My commentary is in blue …
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Hey Cam,
Thanks for taking the time to respond; I feel much better having heard what you have to say :)
When people began sending me reports of your being disloyal and backstabbing, that got my attention, so I wrote to you directly, to prevent this getting stupid.
All Hail the King! All hail the King. “People sent him reports of me my disloyalty.”
If you know Johnny, you know that he is a stickler for the English language. No verb, pronoun, adverb or adjective is used by accident. Every English Word is planned out carefully. Reports of Disloyalty have a connotation of hierarchy. Wait, what did I write to him in my straight up email? Oh, that’s right. His games of 1-up-manship become tiresome after a while! It drives people away.
>>> Hey Johnny,
>>>Your anonymous emailer makes a lot of assumptions. There are a lot of people in the “Pick up/ Dating” business I enjoy joking about including “Mystery.”. I don’t hate them, but the weirdness of it all is so rich, it’s fun joking about.
Sure, ALL self-described Pick Up Artists are creepy fucks, and overwhelmingly socially maladjusted, it makes them easy targets. I get that.
–OK, partial agreement on some of the dating gurus. I wouldn’t say “ALL” of them. (Anyone else notice the “ALL” in all caps? Obvious attempt to set himself apart because of the blessed Sed-reasoning. More on that later….
>>>As for the alleged “Potshots.”
The ‘Potshots’ I was referring to which I had been overlooking were nothing to do with the Kirkey show – they were things like your STD comments about your sofa, etc… and your accusations of my saying “Trust me” to you…
The stuff you’ve said about me on Sinn’s podcast or Kirkey’s show I presumed were just your trying to make ‘good radio’ and since I never listened to them myself, I didn’t care.
— Sensitive, sensitive. I made a comment that he & his girlfriend sat on my PUA-sofa, and it has since been tested for STDs. Well, you’d think he’d get the joke. His name is So-porno, brags about his various girlfriends who are escorts. He alleges to have had sex with 1000s of women. STD joke would seem appropriate.
>>>A) I don’t agree with the “Seductive reasoning paradigm” I know it’s your source of epiphany, but I find both its reasoning and effectiveness faulty. I don’t think that’s a potshot. Just a professional disagreement.
No, that is certainly not taken as a potshot – although I can’t see how it could be a ‘professional disagreement’ either, since it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with any profession we share? Nor, frankly, to do with any professional or commercial aspect?
— Let’s see: I SELL Ebooks and Audio products on Dating. He does Bootcamps that he charges money to teach guys a new dating paradigm, not to mention workshops on how to get laid with women who are “professionals” {i.e porno participants, Escorts, hookers, streetwalkers, “Crackwhores” and the like.).
Although I can’t quite figure out why you’d pay 2000 Dollars for a Bootcamp to learn to sleep with “professionals” when you can take that money and pay the professional straight up and cut out the middle man! Oh, only if I understood things better….
Since it’s not a ‘seduction tool’ at all, nor a device for picking up women, nor a routine, I can see why you’d have such trouble comprehending it, since you continue to insist on framing it as though it were.
——Not a routine? I’ve personally heard this “Paradigm” on at least 3 occasions, not counting the other times, I walked away as soon as I heard him start explaining to women around his vicinity. Getting past that, his entire schtick is to have guys walk up to women, sit them down for say…………. 30 FUCKING Minutes, and say, “Hey, I’d like to discuss a new dating paradigm if I may,” and then explain “Seductive Reasoning.”
I am disappointed that you still feel this way after you’ve had it explained to you so many times, in the most basic possible ways.
I’ll be happy to again try to help you understand it next time we meet, if you still can’t wrap your head around it.
—-So gracious is Johnny. It’s not that he is could be wrong or bullshitting us. The rest of us can’t be as intelligent as he. We just can’t get his paradigm (Which is essentially all women are sluts or whores unless they decide to fuck Johnny and go into the prostitution business.)
Essentially, that is the paradigm and if a woman is falling for this, you really ought to check to see if she successfully received her high school diploma.
>>> B) Being condescending. Johnny, you’re very condescending to people around you while hanging out with them.
I’m sorry you’ve seen the brunt of that; it’s never my intention to condescend to anyone, but when a person simply can’t or won’t meet me on my level, it is murderously challenging to ‘dumb things down’ sufficiently without it’s being obvious.
—Again, he can’t help himself for the rest of us Neanderthals. Fuck, we just don’t get it!
What is wrong with us? If only he could dumb down the paradigm (all women are sluts and whores unless they fuck Johnny), then we could get it.
– Never mind that the condescending remarks having nothing to do with his dating paradigm but remarks he makes to belittle people to establish himself as King. The most interesting part of this is how everything ties to his dating-paradigm. My point of contention was that he is condescending to those “Hanging out” with him….
You are absolutely right for calling me out on this. I have nothing but respect for my peers. Steve P, Hypnotica. Jamie Smart, Zan, Dr. Paul, Doc, and equiv. men have never experienced my condescension, as I’ve never felt compelled to patronize them, nor even to remain tolerant of their juvenile behaviours.
— OK, so now, not only we are not as intelligent as he, but we are also juvenile. By the way, equivalent men have never received condescension. Again, we cave-dwellers are treated differently. Come to think of it, maybe Zan has never experienced condescension because Zan doesn’t even think about such things, and Steve P. will hit you in the head with a claw-hammer after about the 2nd time. And as for Dr, Paul: Well, thatguy is creepy enough that fully coherent parents would rather let their children spend the night at Neverlandranch than to be around DP.
>>> At first, I thought it was just accidental, but after prolonged exposure, I realized that it’s very deliberate.
Not so, as a matter of fact. – It’s explicitly NOT deliberate, and now that you’ve drawn my attention to it, I will endeavour to keep it from happening going forward.
–Really? Out of curiosity, was this email part of that endeavor? Or is the endeavor a long term plan like Universal Healthcare in America?
>>>Lastly, the most peculiar part of it is that you’re doing this to people who study & TEACH social dynamics for a living.
The only such people to whom I’ve condescended were people who were actively teaching misinterpretations and misapprehensions about social dynamics, particularly stuff which they’ve dogmatically accepted as fact because they studied these teaching of others who were no more insightful than themselves.
—Again, application of misdirection. He brings it back to Dating Advice, which is clear misdirection and I am sure he thinks it’s clever. The beauty of this email is that its condescension is layered. There multiple layers of condescension. First one is the obvious one, “Trying to dumb things down for us Neanderthals.”
The second one is obvious misdirection which he thinks we’ll never get. “Hehe, they’ll never see through my misdirection schemes….I am so smart.. I was born seductive reasoning…heheh”
It’s like he is trying to sell a car with a faulty fuel pump to people who are expert car mechanics and when asked about the fuel pump, he talks about the alternator.
As I mentioned, my condescension is reflexive, and ‘comes on’ when I recognize that reason is not an option, and that the speaker knows not what he’s saying, but genuinely isn’t aware of it.
—So again, those of us who have been condescended (me, Barry, Sinn, and list goes on…) it’s because we don’t know what we’re talking about, and reason is not an option.
The reason for why we were condescended in itself is condescending! While trying to explain why he is condescending, he belittles us. Awesome! You can’t make this shit up! You really can’t.
>>>Man, you must think the rest of are pretty damn stupid.
You omitted the objective pronoun in that sentence.
This shit is AWESOME! The Condescension is dripping off the page, onto your keyboard down from your monitor. Leave it to the king for pointing out my typo. A typographical error where I skipped the word “Us”
– By the way, Told ya he was a stickler for the English language.
>>> I find irony, in that for a guy who admonishes “Mystery/Markovic” for using “Negs” andput downs on women, you far outdo him in your fair share of put downs on men. As a matter of fact, for all the times I hung out with him, I cant’ recall Mystery using “Neg” type of behavior around his male buddies.
I can understand that! ‘Negs’ are designed to lower the subjective value of a person who presumes or asserts that they are at a higher ‘value’ than you can be.
With women, I never feel as though their confident sense-of-self puts them on a level out-of-reach from me – I don’t need to ‘knock them off their high-horse’ to feel I’m on an even footing with them, and they sense this intuitively.
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
This is amazing. Please read the above paragraphs a few times. I didn’t realize the impact of it at first glance. (Shit, personally, I realized on the 3rd time.) And I’ll tell you what, I felt like a combination of Indiana Jones meets Perry Mason when it all hit me. Johnny “So Porno” subconsciously gives himself away without realizing it.
Read it again and Replace “Women” with “Men.” Then let’s rewrite the whole sentence the other way around. Like turning a photograph negative. Black is white, and white is black. It’d then read:
But with men, “I feel as though their confident self puts them on a level out of reach for me. So I need to “Knock them off their high-horse” to feel I’m on an even footing with them, and they don’t seen this intuitively.
Well, think about what he says. With WOMEN, he does NOT feel the need to knock them off their high horse, which means….. (Drum roll please…. ) With MEN, he does feel the need to knock them off their high horse….
Whoa! I feel like a detective for a second here. Or perhaps more like Tom Cruise in “A Few Good Men” where he got Jack Nicholson to confess that he ordered the “Code Red!”
Holy Porno Batman!
He unknowingly gives us the solution to the riddle. He unknowingly subconsciously gives himself away. With women, he does NOT Feel the need to knock them down in order to feel on even footing with them….. which once again means….. WITH MEN, he does feel that need.
I don’t know whether to be annoyed by him or feel sorry for how he pathetic he must feel to have to resort to this.
With ‘Pick Up Artists’, nearly everything I hear come out of their mouths is so alarmingly misguided and misogynistic, I am continually overwhelmed by the need to pull their heads out of their asses.
-Ya know the expression about people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones? Well…. “Misguided and misogynistic?” Yes, many pick up artists in the seduction community reek of that. However, this coming from someone who shows random men photos of various women’s faces with his semen splattered over them? Or encouraging financially desperate women to turn to a career of selling their bodies for sex? (Which by the way, is an important part of emancipating women in the seductive reasoning paradigm.)
This is the kind of guidance that is chastising the PUAs for misguided behavior and misogyny?
That’s cool – and I appreciate your being so up-front about it :)
I am sure you appreciate it. Very obvious in this email.
If you get the chance, grab a copy of my interview with Barry – listen to it and make up your own mind as to whether I belittled him at all. I think you’ll be surprised and impressed by my composure and conduct, despite Barry’s fifth-grade antics. (I suspect he felt that my behaving as an adult while he was being a disruptive and annoying brat constituted ‘belittling him’.)
–I’ve listened to that interview. I don’t claim t be a mind reader but you snickering at him when he said didn’t know what the word “Emancipate” meant that constituted “Belittling” him. Well, that amongst other chuckles, and little remarks.
Johnny
Well, there you have it! That’s good entertainment no matter how you slice it. And I’m sure there’ll be more remarks about I don’t understand Seductive Reasoning… But all comedy aside…. The sad thing is that I DO Understand. I do get it, andmaybe that’s the problem. Maybe if I didn’t get it, I’d accept it like blind people grasping at straws trying to find a cure for their dating woes….
Enough seriousness for now. Need to go brush up my skills on how to date “professionals.”
Cameron
Think about this for a minute Cameron. You have written blog posts trashing Johnny, you have gone onto public forums trashing Johnny, you have gone onto podcasts and trashed Johnny. On the other hand Johnny has never said anything about you. He has invited you to spend time with him! Even if he was condescending to you he still didn’t run around behind your back like a little baby trying to tell everyone that your ideas and concepts are bullshit. Now FINALLY he opens his eyes to what you have been doing and responds and you are the one who is offended? Are you serious?! You are the biggest hypocrite in the PUA community, and that’s saying something!
I am the guy who sent Johnny the email about you after having heard you trashing him on the Kirkey show. Here is the email I sent him and that he later sent you.
“I also never listen to the Barry Kirkey show but the day that you went on I thought I would listen. Then the following day I checked back to see what was said since I knew that Barry always talks about his guests once they’ve left but never directly to them. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but you can always see what Barry has talked about on his show by looking at his bullet points and since the whole week Cameron was in studio it seemed that there was a bullet point about you I listened to hear what was being said.
To be honest with you I couldn’t tell you everything that the two of them said since there was just so much stuff but Cameron really seemed to hate you. The day after you left Barry spent a considerable amount of time talking about how weird you were and how you refused to leave his house as well as a bunch of other things. Cameron and Barry both kept mentioning how condescending you are and how they think you are “creepy” and so on and so forth. Like I said I don’t remember it all since there were just so many things one after another but they trashed you in almost any way. They attacked your character, then your seductive reasoning paradigm with Cameron repeatedly saying he thought it was “bullshit” and that if you tried it you would come off as being a weirdo to women. And then they actually started making derogatory comments about Violet after going to her website on the show. They discussed making a fake email address to communicate with her to get info about her courtesan services etc etc.
There was a lot of stuff, and I mean a lot!”
He contacted you to ask about the email I sent him. He did not contact you to ask why you said he was condescending on the Kirkey show. You are misrepresenting the facts there Cam.
You may have written an email to him that was very blunt but it was only after you had run around behind his back trashing him for so long that he finally called you on it.
And on another note, don’t you think that Johnny copied the email exchange between the two of you to Kirkey since it involved what had happened on Kirkey’s show? Johnny has said in many interviews and on his videos that he won’t ever say something behind someone’s back that he won’t say to their face. (obviously a quality that the two of you don’t share) Johnny talked about Kirkey in your email exchange and therefore probably wanted Kirkey to be aware of how he felt since the both of you were trashing him, not just you.
This is the email I sent Cameron yesterday after listen to the Barry Kirkey show:
Hi Cameron,
I am the guy who sent Johnny Soporno the emails about what you had been saying on Kirkey’s radio show. I head you saying on his show today that you thought he had actually written the emails himself. I’m here to tell you that Johnny is not the only guy who has good spelling. Johnny was trying to protect me and therefore did not disclose my name and email.
The reason that I told Johnny what you had said was because I felt that he was not aware that you disliked him. I saw pictures of you up on his myspace and flickr accounts and heard him mentioning you in his seductive reasoning videos saying that he was going to meet you in Vegas. Johnny has done a lot for me in terms of how his seductive reasoning videos have changed my life and I just wanted to do this little thing for him in return.
I think it’s funny how you spent over an hour on Kirkey’s show today telling him that you thought he should be more up front and honest with people yet this is exactly what you did not do with Johnny. Johnny had no idea that you felt the way you did when I sent him those emails. You even admitted on a previous appearance on Kirkey’s show that you never said anything to Johnny in person and the next time you see him you are going to make rude comments to him whenever he is condescending or makes jokes that you think are stupid. On the show today you continued to bash Johnny behind his back. I say behind his back because there were things that you guys talked about today that you did not tell Johnny in your email exchange. You’re a complete hypocrite Cameron.
I actually thought that Johnny’s reply to you was very polite and commented to him that I would have been much more scathing. How can you object to Johnny being condescending when you and Kirkey constantly bash other people in the “community” and spend so much time attacking Johnny?
Hopefully by talking so much about Johnny on the show other listeners will actually check out his material and see how revolutionary it is unlike yours which is just rehashed “community” bullshit.
Neil
Cameron replied to me!
I don’t know whether to take your email seriously or not…. Assuming you’re serious,
A. No one can condescend others that much without knowing that he is doing it. Barry gets upset by little things people do which are not done on purpose. Johnny’s habit of putting people down is not by mistake. Your hero purposely shits on people.
B. If he didn’t know, he knew after the nice honorable email I sent him.
C. You think his reply is “Polite” What Koolaid are you drinking?
D. So much time attacking Johnny? Are you the guy who also told him we spent an entire week bashing him? It was a semgent on 1 show. Seriously? Get over yourself.
E. Not sure what community you live in , but I am sure you’ve now creeped out your fair share of women in your city/campus/state with your sexual predator routine.
F. Should you attend a seminar where I am at, please come and say hello. I am always curious what disciples of Johnny look/act like. Just don’t wear the fucking horns. (If you’re still drinking the kool-aid a year down the line.)
Last point: Why do you insist on listening to Barry Kirkey constantly when you don’t even like his show? Just curious. I don’t like GOLF. Guess what? I don’t watch it.
Thanks,
Cameron
Ps. How do you have this email address? Oh, let me guess, through the honorable Johnny Soprono.
And I replied:
A. No one can condescend others that much without knowing that he is doing it. Barry gets upset by little things people do which are not done on purpose. Johnny’s habit of putting people down is not by mistake. Your hero purposely shits on people.
So what are you and Barry doing? Even if Johnny does shit on people, which I’m not saying he does, at least he has the balls to do it to their face. You on the other hand go on public forums, write blog posts and go on podcasts and shit on Johnny and other members of the PUA community.
B. If he didn’t know, he knew after the nice honorable email I sent him.
Not only does he now know that you think he shits on you but he also knows that you dislike him. Johnny was surprised to hear what I said when I contacted him telling him what you and Barry were saying on the show. This is the problem Cameron, you never expressed your feelings directly to him. You did exactly what you were telling Kirkey not to do. Hypocrite.
C. You think his reply is “Polite” What Koolaid are you drinking?
Obviously I saw that Johnny was poking at you but what do you expect?! What I meant was that it was much more polite then I would have been. After all the things that you said about him it’s about time he said something back and if it had been me I would have ripped you to shreds.
D. So much time attacking Johnny? Are you the guy who also told him we spent an entire week bashing him? It was a semgent on 1 show. Seriously? Get over yourself.
You’re a liar if you claim that you only talked about Johnny on one show. I listened all week Cameron, you may be able to convince people like Johnny who don’t listen to the show that you only talked about him once but I heard you bringing him up time and time again. You may have only had an entire segment on him once but throughout the week you guys would take little cheap shots at him every now and again.
E. Not sure what community you live in , but I am sure you’ve now creeped out your fair share of women in your city/campus/state with your sexual predator routine.
I appreciate your concern but I haven’t, Johnny’s ideas have changed my life for the better.
F. Should you attend a seminar where I am at, please come and say hello. I am always curious what disciples of Johnny look/act like. Just don’t wear the fucking horns. (If you’re still drinking the kool-aid a year down the line.)
Will this by at one of Johnny’s seminars? Will you be at the attracting pornstars seminar in Vegas? I know you’ve attended his seminars before. I’d love to come see you face to face next time I get a chance.
Last point: Why do you insist on listening to Barry Kirkey constantly when you don’t even like his show? Just curious. I don’t like GOLF. Guess what? I don’t watch it.
I listen to Barry Kirkey’s show when I see Johnny’s name in the bullet points about the show. I am interested to hear what Johnny himself says and what people have to say about Johnny. If Kobe Bryant was playing golf, you would watch wouldn’t you?
Ps. How do you have this email address? Oh, let me guess, through the honorable Johnny Soprono.
Since I was the one who informed Johnny about what you were saying about him and my email was not only sent to you but also mentioned on Kirkey’s show he sent me your entire email exchange.
Finally, I think that you can tell a lot about a person from the people who they are friends with. It is my understanding that you are friends with people like Barry Kirkey and Sinn, I think that says it all right there…
Neil
Thanks for demonstrating your complete lack of understanding of both the Seductive Reasoning paradigm, and of everything else I teach.
You’ve saved me the trouble of exposing you as an ignoranus.
Johnny Soporno
Not Angry, Just Amused
The problem here Cam is that if you DON’T understand Seductive reasoning, you are a worthless piece of shit whose genes are going to be unapologetically weeded out of existance.
Sorry I mixed up my megalomaniacs…
It’s amazing, the email, the multiple levels of meaning…
A true gem.
Add this to his claiming s-reasoning has been downloaded a gazillion billion times and you can figure out what he’s full of.
JS-The King Of Content
Neil,
I’d figure a devout follower of the Church of Soporno would be nuts, but I had no idea to what extent.
It’s not necessary to post countless annoying comments on one blog post, and then, reposting those exact same ones on the next blog post. We get the point.
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Jon,
Yes! One day, I will finally get seductive reasoning. I will realize how to explain “All women are whores or sluts unless they fuck me.” And then I’ll understand how to turn them on to a career in prostitution….
But til then we shall remain ignoramuses in the eyes of “The Guru”
Have you guys noticed how fundamentally good people associate with Johnny Soporno while scum bags talk shit about Johnny? Good people like Steve P, Hypnotica, Zan, Jamie Smart etc. associate with Johnny and regularly attend his workshops. On the other hand scum bags like Cameron, Barry Kirkey, Sinn, Gunwitch etc. talk shit about Johnny. It’s also amusing how the scum bags talk shit about everyone while the fundamentally good people talk shit about no one.
The reason I contacted Johnny in the first place was because I thought he believed that Cameron was a fundamentally good person. I wanted to bring Johnny’s attention to the things that Cameron had been saying about him in blog posts, forums and podcasts. Johnny is now aware that Cameron is a scum bag and more and more fundamentally good people in this community are beginning to realize that as well. Anyone else notice how Hypnotica took Cameron off his recommended list at the bottom of his website? hmm… I’m sure Johnny and Hypnotica didn’t appreciate Cameron and Barry talking shit about Violet on the show either. Violet is one of Hypnotica’s best friends and is the love of Johnny’s life. But you see this is what scum bags like Cameron do, they attack you and the people you care about behind your back when you aren’t even there to stand up for yourself. I hope that more and more people begin to realize what a back stabbing hypocrite Cameron is and stay as far away from him as possible.
My reply to Cameron:
A. No one can condescend others that much without knowing that he is doing it. Barry gets upset by little things people do which are not done on purpose. Johnny’s habit of putting people down is not by mistake. Your hero purposely shits on people.
So what are you and Barry doing? Even if Johnny does shit on people, which I’m not saying he does, at least he has the balls to do it to their face. You on the other hand go on public forums, write blog posts and go on podcasts and shit on Johnny and other members of the PUA community.
B. If he didn’t know, he knew after the nice honorable email I sent him.
Not only does he now know that you think he shits on you but he also knows that you dislike him. Johnny was surprised to hear what I said when I contacted him telling him what you and Barry were saying on the show. This is the problem Cameron, you never expressed your feelings directly to him. You did exactly what you were telling Kirkey not to do. Hypocrite.
C. You think his reply is “Polite” What Koolaid are you drinking?
Obviously I saw that Johnny was poking at you but what do you expect?! What I meant was that it was much more polite then I would have been. After all the things that you said about him it’s about time he said something back and if it had been me I would have ripped you to shreds.
D. So much time attacking Johnny? Are you the guy who also told him we spent an entire week bashing him? It was a semgent on 1 show. Seriously? Get over yourself.
You’re a liar if you claim that you only talked about Johnny on one show. I listened all week Cameron, you may be able to convince people like Johnny who don’t listen to the show that you only talked about him once but I heard you bringing him up time and time again. You may have only had an entire segment on him once but throughout the week you guys would take little cheap shots at him every now and again.
E. Not sure what community you live in , but I am sure you’ve now creeped out your fair share of women in your city/campus/state with your sexual predator routine.
I appreciate your concern but I haven’t, Johnny’s ideas have changed my life for the better.
F. Should you attend a seminar where I am at, please come and say hello. I am always curious what disciples of Johnny look/act like. Just don’t wear the fucking horns. (If you’re still drinking the kool-aid a year down the line.)
Will this by at one of Johnny’s seminars? Will you be at the attracting pornstars seminar in Vegas? I know you’ve attended his seminars before. I’d love to come see you face to face next time I get a chance.
Last point: Why do you insist on listening to Barry Kirkey constantly when you don’t even like his show? Just curious. I don’t like GOLF. Guess what? I don’t watch it.
I listen to Barry Kirkey’s show when I see Johnny’s name in the bullet points about the show. I am interested to hear what Johnny himself says and what people have to say about Johnny. If Kobe Bryant was playing golf, you would watch wouldn’t you?
Ps. How do you have this email address? Oh, let me guess, through the honorable Johnny Soprono.
Since I was the one who informed Johnny about what you were saying about him and my email was not only sent to you but also mentioned on Kirkey’s show he sent me your entire email exchange.
Finally, I think that you can tell a lot about a person from the people who they are friends with. It is my understanding that you are friends with people like Barry Kirkey and Sinn, I think that says it all right there…
Neil
Johnny if you have to say you’re not angry, it means you’re actually pissed off.
Kinda like when Mystery says he doesn’t apologize for things he’s trying to apologize for.
Who would have known that in the midst of your composing your bullshit you would leave in so many Freudian slips.
Poor little(but old) Johnny, it must have been rough growing up and getting bullied to the point where you can’t feel comfortable with other men. Try Therapy I hear they’re doing great things these days.
As for the Soporno follower, that tells us all we need to know about him.
Good luck in loony land fellas.
JS- The King Of Content
http://www.facebook.com/SeductiveReasoning/posts/237634674288
I got a lot out of the dating community, and I want to see both students and the guys teaching it do well, but when I read this kind of back and forth stuff, complete with other instructors jumping in, I come away feeling vaguely depressed and disappointed.
I also catch myself thinking: “I don’t know who’s right and who’s wrong, but I’m not giving money to any of you assholes.”
Just a thought from someone who has no dog in this particular fight.
Dan,
When I read comments such as yours, it also depressed me and saddens me. His email clearly speaks for itself.
I think to myself, “Man, this guy does not possess enough social intelligence OR common sense to see the well calculated condescension and attempts at belittling others in it. I wouldn’t ever even take this asshole’s money.”
Cameron
What the hell is this? Sinn&Cameron i have studied your products and i think they are great but you guys realy disapoint your fans when you do stuff like this , you shouldnt insult other community guys no matter how fucked up they are.
Hey Cam,
I respect and want to thank you for writing the last few blog entries about dating for a socially fit man. Just let the stupid shit with Johnny slide, what’s the point of proving that he is a condescending prick?!
Most guys going into the community are social retards to begin with, and inevitably, there will be hustlers there to rip these socially naive and sexually inexperienced guys off. If you can run a decent business in this without having to deal with Johnny, what’s the point of directing more traffic to his bullshit?
Take care and thanks again for sharing your advice!
-J
Hmm. I’m kind of surprised at your reply as none of those things were my intention, but re-reading my post, I can see how it might be taken that way.
I’ll try once more.
Cam, a lot of the stuff you write implies that you have a lot of contempt for the community, and a lot of the instructors. I’ve also heard you describe a lot of the students in the community as weird and lacking in social intelligence.
Whether it’s your intention or not, when I read that stuff, it seems like you don’t LIKE the community very much.
Which is fine but if that’s the case, why are you part of it? If you hold your industry in such contempt, why not do something that would make you happier?
I liken it to if Coke issued a press release saying “The soft-drink industry sucks, a lot of the companies involved are frauds, and many of the people who drink our products are unhealthy and have bad willpower.”
Yeah, that stuff might all be TRUE, but if Coke doesn’t respect their consumers or their industry, it makes Coke look like hypocrites for being in the business in the first place. If you’re trash-talking the industry you WORK in–rightly or wrongly–people are going to ask questions about your own level of self-respect.
I’m not sure I made my point very well, and I still feel like this comes of more as an attack than I intended, so your point about my lacking social intelligence might be closer to the bone than I’d like to admit.
All I can say is, I enjoy reading your blog and your perspectives and that doesn’t change whether or not we agree on everything or whether or not you would have me as a customer.
Take Care,
Dan
A quick PS:
Rereading my last post, I realized there was no apology in it and there should be.
What you choose to post or not to post on your personal blog is no one’s business but your own, as is how you conduct your personal and professional business.
I got so caught up in thinking I was right that I missed that bigger point, and for that I apologize. I was out of line.
I guess I learned something about myself today.
Neil, stop snitching!
Hey Jerry,
Glad you enjoyed the “Dating Advice for the Socially Fit man” series.
Regarding the Johnny Soporno:
It’s Comedy & entertainment.
A few people don’t like it, but maybe if they say it in a live performance, they get the vibe better. Also, maybe I find peculiar stuff interesting more than most. The whole thing is such a rich source of comedy that I am amazed by it. It’s really intriguing to me on so many levels. Think about it:
You have a guy who thinks he is the most interesting man in the world next to the dude in the Dos Equis beer commercials. He teaches guys the social skills to date “Porn Stars.” This highly interesting man seems to condescend people around him continuously. When he is written a letter on being called out for being condescending, he writes a reply that is 10 times more condescending. But then, he tries to be clever to wrap his condescension in little packages that take the edge off, thinking no one would notice. The problem is they’re really transparent, and make him even look more socially inept.
It’s a source of comedy, no different than watching Jay Leno or David Letterman goofing on some current topic. It begs being goofed on. Plus in the process, some good is accomplished by exposing this guy to the would-be dating advice seekers.
Lastly, it’s also an inside joke to friends and acquaintances I’ve come to meet in the community. A couple of nights ago, Steve P. called me up at 11:45 PM. He said he figured I’d be up since I’m a bit of a night owl.
He then tells me, “My business partner and I are sitting here working late into the night, working our assess off, and we take a break and see the stuff on your blog on soporno. Dude, we’re sitting here laughing out loud. It was a much needed break. Thanks for the comic relief… What’s new with you?…..”
It’s meant to be entertainment, to be treated and enjoyed as that. However, if you read the entire post above and didn’t find it funny, maybe my comedic style isn’t for you. (And that’s cool!) I am glad you enjoy the dating-advice and I’ll get back to that next week with more articles to come. ;-)
Dan,
You make good points, and I understand where you’re coming from. I do have an article on that topic to come….
I’d disagree about the students and customers. Yes, I do make fun of some, but that’s a very small percentage of the guys. Lair guys, secret club/world bent on world-domination thru pick-up guys. These are the aforementined locusts.
Maybe I should be more clear about that in the future.
Anyhow, you’re good writer, and aplogies if I offended you as well. I do have contemp for the community as an entity that wants to suck people into a cult like state. (So do quite a few other dating-coaches.)
Here is key however: You (meaning anyone) do not have to become engulfed in some community with weird rituals or lingo to become better with women, just like you don’t have to become part of any secret society to become a better at playing Tennis.
It’s the cult mindset and the blind robotic behavior of people in it that I object to, NOT the idea of learning tips on how to improve with women.
Henceforth, some Blog posts (such as The Story of, Dick, in the community) try to offer that perspective. Learn the essential skills but please don’t create a cult out of it.
Other than that, the Blog Posts are free and in that sense, I believe in the info strongly enough to say that collectively there is more good information on dating on this blog than there is in a lot of dating books out there(community or mainstream.
Hope that explains a bit, and I’ll have that article finished up soon as well,
Take care
Cameron
Ummm ….
You guys lost me with all the logic talk. I feel dizzy.
How can we possibly measure exactly WHO is more condescending?
I really like both of you.
Could we possibly have some sort of mud wrestling or sarge-off contest to settle this?
xoxo,
Erika
Johnny Soporno loses 50lbs and tells you how in his new book “Reductive Seasoning”.
I for one, found it pretty damn funny :D
Cheers bud.
“Reductive Seasoning”? That’s hilarious.
woah.. been reading alot of this and although dont know either of u personally have spent a good amount of time listening and reading your knowledge. Not sure what the animosity is coming from.
Could be from a number of different things, and probably is well founded, but one small piece of knowledge i have gained in my years is that getting it out will help greatly, and putting someone else down will help in small scope.
But get to the bottom of that shit. and they keep posting about how u arnt good enough at ur profession or manhood, and ur comfortable enough to just laugh at them while (u guys being masters and all) consistently have fun with your gorgeous woman you love to hook up with
ps. Have major respect for everyone that is more knowledgeable than me and i intend no disrespect to anyone involved, moreso im just a casual observer who is interested
““Misguided and misogynistic?” Yes, many pick up artists in the seduction community reek of that. However, this coming from someone who shows random men photos of various women’s faces with his semen splattered over them? Or encouraging financially desperate women to turn to a career of selling their bodies for sex? (Which by the way, is an important part of emancipating women in the seductive reasoning paradigm.) ”
Reading this makes me think you truly don’t understand what Johnny is talking about.
Where can I read where u talk about why and how you think his “seductive reasoning paradigm” is faulty?
Do you think men and women having sex because they like it deserve disrespect?
After reading this, it seems at the time, neither of you were in your best and most friendly moods.
Though, I don’t really know either one of you. After watching seductive reasoning and reading this post, there would be no question about who I would rather hangout with or have a conversation with. It’s Johnny.
-TheDude
Hey Dude,
Funny coincidence… I, too, would want YOU to hang out with Johnny.
;-) hehehe
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And really, Johnny (or one of his 3 cronies) posing to be “Anonymous” posters is getting to be pretty comical. Here is a hint: The blog is not about you, Johnny. Stop stressing about it. This post was written 6 months ago.
Cameron
I just read though the drama with Johnny and Cameron. And while I think Johnny has many issues, I’d choose him over Cameron any day simply based on the e-mail exchange.
Cameron comes off as having an inferiority complex, pulling condescension out of sentences where there is none.
It makes sense to me that he hangs out with Sinn and Barry Kirkey, as all of them are known for promoting themselves at the expense of other gurus. And, at least in the case on Sinn, taking their material and marketing it as their own.
This post is stupid. First of all, yes, Johnny might be condescending. Even though this depends on the angle. I think he’s rather congenial, from the videos I saw about him (especially the 6 free ones at seductivereasoning).
There are some other, (more or less minor) things which I don’t like about his attitude, for example things he says about homeless people at the beginning of the first of the six free videos. I don’t agree with Johnny there at all.
However, I do also think that you missunderstood his paradigm completely. All women are sluts and whores? I think the only thing he is saying is, that as society says that certain women are sluts, you could in some way say that all (woemen) are (sluts). Which is why you shouldn’t use such words at all!! Instead you should respect women and tell them exactly what you are planning to do beforehand, instead of lurking around and stealing “something” (sex, make-out) from here.
And he’s creepy? So what? Risk Creepy! (60years)